Wednesday, March 22, 2006

In response to Paul's wish that there be beer in heaven

Disclaimer: Anyone who wants to know just exactly why Mormons limit themselves by abstaining from ingesting or imbibing certain things should read this ENTIRE post and not just part of it.

So, first I guess I'll have to explain why I, for religious reasons mostly, do not drink beer or any alcohol, coffee, tea, smoke, or abuse drugs.

As I've previously stated, I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which makes me a Mormon. I believe in its doctrines because of my own personal testimony and what I've felt are answers to my interrogative prayers about what is the Lord's true Gospel. Therefore, I (try to) obey the commandments that our Prophets and Apostles (my choice to capitalize, not a Mormon thing so much as a Mac thing) have received from the Lord. We're supposed to keep the law of chastity which means no sexual relations other than with the person to whom we are legally and lawfully married. We're supposed to keep the Sabbath Day (Sunday) holy, which means no merchandising on Sunday. We're supposed to do all sorts of things, and there is one big suggestion of things we are supposed to abstain from ingesting; we call it the Word of Wisdom, here goes:

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

(hyperlinks are part of the copied text and will only link to other Scriptures with those same words in them. They were not linked by me. Likewise, the black dots after every linked word.)

1 A WORD OF WISDOM, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word• of wisdom, showing forth the order and will• of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
3 Given for a principle with promise•, adapted to the capacity of the weak• and the weakest of all saints, who are or can be called saints.
4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine• or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure• wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
7 And, again, strong• drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs• God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving•.
12 Yea, flesh• also of beasts• and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used•, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
14 All grain• is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
15 And these• hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit• of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall• receive health• in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall findwisdom and great treasures of knowledge•, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall run• and not be weary•, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass• by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

So, we can see that in the 1830s we received a guide to health that stands the test of time. While this is offered not as a commandment, no member would ever be excommunicated for breaking the Word of Wisdom, members who do not follow its prohibitions against alcohol, tobacco, and hot drinks (later clarified as coffee and tea) may not enter into the temple. Temples are different from churches. The temple is the House of the Lord, the church is where we meet for the Sacrament. Temples are special places where we perform eternal marriages (not til death), baptisms for the dead and other sacred ordinances. Those wishing to go to the temple must obey the Word of Wisdom.

The key benefits are twofold: health and the ability to choose. While the health benefits of some things are self-explanatory, others are in dispute constantly (wine is good, wine is bad, wine is good, wine is bag again, etc.). A key characteristic of avoiding habit-forming things and things which intoxicate is that we try to avoid anything that could take our ability to choose correctly and thus ultimately our free agency/free will. Addiction impairs one's ability to choose.

In an extra-religious sense I don't drink because I am not one excelled at self-control of consumption. I loved alcohol and found liquor to be both tasty and an easy way to relax. I was never a beer drinker. It smells and tastes too much like moldy bread/overproofed pizza dough for me to ever enjoy it. I'd rather drink grape juice than wine, but liquor was amazing. However, given my inability to truly regulate and discpline myself by consuming small amounts of something (for example, my Coke consumption in my 20s), I have gone cold turkey. I don't drink because I like it too much. Luckily I had the foresight in my youth to have avoided using drugs. I knew I would like them too much. Perhaps I was ignorant, but I don't really think a lot of people in my social circle at school did drugs. By the time my little sister went to Etowah five years later, she didn't know anyone that didn't do drugs, most Mormons included. I would never have done drugs had I not become Mormon, but my alcohol consumption would've gotten progressively larger until I joined the storied ranks of the alcoholic members of my family tree. Frankly, I don't miss alcohol. Iced tea however still makes my mouth water when I smell it brewing at a restaurant. It's smell, like a simile between Lot's wife longingly looking back at Sodom, makes me sigh and long for its delicious taste.

Hugh A. Nibley, perhaps the most respected Mormon scholar ever, wrote the following exegesis of the Word of Wisdom that explains why we do what we do much better than I can explain it: This is from a Sunday School lesson that he gave in the Manavu Ward in Provo, Utah in December 1979:

The Word of Wisdom is a greeting, not a commandment or constraint, but a word of wisdom, the order and will of God for the temporal salvation for all Saints in these last days. The covenants you make are eternal, but you're not going to be worried about tea, coffee and tobacco in the world hereafter. In the ages to come I don't think smoking will be a serious problem with any of us. In fact, it isn't even now, as far as that goes. It's a temporal law to supply us during this life, and this is the way it was taken.

The Word of Wisdom doesn't belong to the order of the eternal Gospel. It is temporal and temporary but no less the will of God. We do not covenant and promise to keep the Word of Wisdom, because our promises and covenants are eternal. But we are bound while we're here, so it is not secondary in importance. However, we often make a big fuss about the Word of Wisdom while ignoring the other commandments. President Joseph F. Smith used to say that we make the Word of Wisdom a subject of religious hobbyism. "As long as I keep the Word of Wisdom, that's the thing," someone may say, and then preach that and nothing else. That is not the fullness of the Gospel. It is a minimal requirement, a principle with a promise, a first step: No great achievement but you get a reward for it. Others keep it better than we do. For example, on the whole the Seventh Day Adventists are better keepers of the Word of Wisdom than we are, but it's not the Gospel.

We have been warned and forewarned against the evil designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men. Today this is recognized as the promotion of harmful products. But where do we draw the line of harmful products? And where do we strike a balance between harmful products and the money they bring in? Do you remember the time when all watches had luminescent dials on them? It was a great blessing to be able to see the time in the dark. But what did we ever do with luminous dials? We junked them, because the disadvantage of radioactivity was greater than the advantage of luminescence. People were saying we couldn't get along without it, but we have been getting along without it. It's the same with exhortations in the Word of Wisdom. How can we do without certain things?

Wine and strong drink are only for the sacrament. Make your own. Tobacco you may use only for medicine. Discover its use by experimentation. Dr. Marv Roberson, trainer, uses tobacco quite a bit for sprains and bruises quite effectively, but it is to be used with judgement and skill. Skill means experience. (There's your wisdom again.) President Joseph F. Smith says the Word of Wisdom means just that?'wisdom.' You use your wisdom. A commandment, on the other hand, means 'You must do this!' A Word of Wisdom you must judge for yourself. Heber C. Kimball included chocolate and cocoa among the hot drinks, but then they drank them extremely hot. When they said hot, they meant hot!
All wholesome herbs. Well, what makes the herb wholesome? For the constitution, use and nature of man. Ah, but you must know how. Every herb in the season, every fruit in the season. Joseph Fielding Smith used to say, "Well, we put up our preserves, we freeze our vegetables?when they are ripe." We don't freeze them and use them when they are green. Or when they are rotten. We freeze them in the proper season. That doesn't mean that you're supposed to only eat peas in the three weeks when the peas are perfect for picking. But you can freeze them. You can preserve them in the season, of course. You're still eating them in the season and not taking them prematurely. We get such cranks in this business. Notice: 'With prudence.' There's the answer to the cranks, right there, for prudence means providence, foresight, and thanksgiving.
Meat sparingly. Again, sparing is a good word. It means 'sparing Gods creatures.' It is to be used with thanksgiving and not with gluttony, which is one of the national weaknesses. (Overweight is one of our national diseases.) That's gluttony, which is one of the seven deadly sins. You have a right to meat, according to the 49th section of the Doctrine and Covenants. The family who needs a deer to get through the winter have a right to that. The Lord will not deny them, but He is also pleased with those who forbear. They can eat meat only in times of starvation, winter, cold, famine. 'Starve' means to die of cold as well as of famine. And the Saints need meat to see them through the winter and restore their fainting strength. Remember the miracle of the quails, for example. Game only in times of famine and excess of hunger. But the supplies are limited, and we cannot afford to hunt the year round, promiscuously. At the first sight of buffalo in Iowa, the plain was covered with buffalo as far as the eye could see. Brigham Young called the brethren together and told them not to shoot one unless they absolutely need it. And this turned out to be a great blessing for them.
Grain is the staff of life, the underpinning of the whole cycle. The angiosperms are encapsulated, highly concentrated nourishment supplied from the insects right on up the food chain. (They like to share it with us, too.) It's not an exclusive diet, though. We lean on it more than anything else, but verses 10 and 11 tell us the importance of herbs, of fruit, and of meat. They are essential, too. All grains, fruits, and berries are good for man. All must be processed in some way, however. The indians used their berries and acorns a lot, but they had to process or wash them or they would be eating deadly poisons like cyanide and other things. If they didn't process them, they found out by experience how to treat these things. They used a lot of things that we don't think are useful at all. It's amazing. Tommy Martin has spent his days looking for edible and useful herbs in that lot around his house. He found 128 plants and herbs growing right around his house that people use for some purpose of nutrition, medicine or otherwise. That just shows that they are all around us. But we don't know anything about it?that's something that takes a lot of skill.

And then the great promise. It is not included in mortality for man to be immune from suffering but it does guarantee that things will be as they should be. The main thing about the Word of Wisdom is that it represents a new way of life. We don't realize this, but when we go back to the Journal of Discourses: tea, coffee, tobacco and liquor are all a part of our way of life, but they are luxuries, a form of indulgence, a form of gracious living. The Saints need to break away from that. They are things we really don't need because they are stimulants or narcotics. The early Saints were forced to give them up when they ran out of supplies. The Saints in St. George had no trouble at all with the Word of Wisdom because they couldn't get any of the stuff. They adopted the Word of Wisdom, and it worked. In other words, they were forced into a new way of life. There's a new book that's just come out on alcohol in American history. In the 19th century it seems that Americans imbibed a pint of liquor every day. This was our way of life, perfectly normal. The Word of Wisdom was absolutely necessary to effect a break with these customs, for the coming forth of the kingdom in these days demanded it. Brigham Young said the older generation is too far gone. "We must begin with the younger generation. The older ones need it. They collapse without it. They must have their coffee, etc." Ezra T. Benson said that this was a whole new way of life, a cultural revolution which the Saints have not yet accepted.
Brigham Young again: "When we first heard the revelation many of us thought that it consisted just of our drinking tea and coffee. But it is not just these things but every other evil that is calculated to contaminate this people. We should feel to thank the Lord that we have escaped thus far the contaminating influence of the Gentiles." George Albert Smith said the same in the conference: "The Word of Wisdom sifts the people. They do not realize it. How carefully they are being tested. It's a gradation, so to speak. It's a cultural revolution. So also is their treatment of animals, etc." And the same year (1855) Brigham Young again speaks: "The people have laid the foundation of short life through their diet, their rest, their labor, their doing this, that and the other in a wrong manner with improper motives at improper times." 'Let all things be in moderation' is what we have here. "Suppose I say, 'Come wife, let's have a good dinner today.'" Well, this is a Victorian tradition, you see. What does she get? "Pork and beef, stewed, roasted, fried, boiled, potatoes, cabbage, onions, turnips, eggs, custard, pies of all kinds, cheese and sweet meats. Now I admit that my wife and I sit down and overload our stomachs until we feel the deleterious effects of it from the crowns of our heads to the soles of our feet, eyeballs protruding and belts snapping and everything else." Then he says, "The whole system is disturbed by its operations and is ready to receive heart disease. A child begotten under such conditions is liable to be born with a tabernacle subject to pain and distress. Will all hearken to this plain statement? No. You might as well talk to the wild geese that fly over us."
In a speech given in Provo on the Word of Wisdom Brigham Young says. "It has been an organic part of the church teachings at all times. Like the temple garments, it is a protection. It is an admonition to wisdom, giving appetites, desires and passions within boundaries, and is to be considered with discretion. It is a protection from evil and designing men and from many things that can harm us." These things are habit-forming.

Now I want to talk about a good example of religious hobbyism. In 1833 the Saints commenced to build a temple in Kirtland. A mere handful of Saints commenced that work, but they were full of faith and energy. In a few weeks some of them apostatized. The trials were too great, the troubles were too severe. For instance, a certain family having traveled a long journey arrived in Kirtland and the Prophet asked them to stop and stay with them until they could find their own place. Sister Emma, meanwhile, asked the old lady if she would have a cup of tea or coffee to refresh her after the fatigues of the journey. The whole family apostatized because they were invited to take a cup of tea or coffee after the Word of Wisdom was given. (After all, this was just a stimulant for an old lady. It wasn't a coffee bust!)

Amasa Lyman once said, "The Word of Wisdom is just that. It conducts us in way of progress, which is a progressive repentance." A workaholic is as culpable as the alcoholic. The positive side of it is, "Don't overwork. Don't get yourself exhausted so that you need stimulants. You must go to bed early and rise early. Let your minds and your bodies be rested. If you overwork, then you are breaking the Word of Wisdom because you are forcing yourself to fall back on these drugs to give you a pick up. The Word of Wisdom is nothing to flaunt before the world, it's merely a means of assisting us in salvation and work for the human race. In 1867 Brigham Young said, "The situation is not good in the church." He reminds them that the Word of Wisdom is not a fetish. The Word of Wisdom is one thing, and ignorance, superstition or bigotry is another. Then again, he gives the story of an elder in Nauvoo who refused to administer to the sick when he saw a teapot in the house! (There was no tea in the teapot, only some herbs, they didn't have Brigham tea at that time.) We had a friend who refused to use Carnation milk because it was advertised to be used with coffee. That's being very puristic, isn't it?
Erastus Snow at the same conference said, "Don't make the Word of Wisdom a hobby to the exclusion of everything else so as to disgust people, but in the true spirit of the Gospel seek to bring the matter home to the hearts and understandings of the people. Feel after those who may be stupid or ignorant. Being instructed in these things is the important thing. (Stimulants and narcotics are even necessary sometimes, but this does not license their general use. Those who covenant have no option but to keep the Word of Wisdom.) Then he says, "Like money, it's right to have pharmaceutics sufficient for our needs, but they can be poison if overdone. More than that, they can be deadly." George Q. Cannon says, "Not only stimulants, but any extreme diet, any food fads, etc. And this goes for cholesterols, synthetics, sugar-free diets, all sorts of things like this.

"Having food and raiment, let us therefore be content," says Paul to Timothy. We can get into trouble if we start overdoing things. Orson Pratt says that a man should not constrain his family to obey it, but every man will have to give an account of his doings. Man may keep the Word of Wisdom as far as tea and coffee and tobacco are concerned and still come very short. If he wishes and contends to be right he must convey this together with all the commandments of the Word of Wisdom, for if you keep the Word of Wisdom but don't walk in obedience you will not receive health to the navel and marrow to the bones. That includes regulating our thoughts and all our doings.

In the sermons from the General Authorities from the beginning it becomes increasingly apparent that the Word of Wisdom is far more advanced than we have realized. Every time a new step is taken today we find that the Word of Wisdom anticipated it. An example: In 1870 Brigham Young said, "Why are these things so popular, and why are they bad? The narcotic spirits in these substances are the cause for their being so much liked by those who use them. They are habit-forming. Their most dangerous effects make them that." Everything that we eat contains poisons, as far as that goes, but these are habit-forming. But the important thing, he says, is the state of mind. One must be sober and clear-headed to receive revelation. Narcotics of any kind beget delusion, unreality. That's why we don't indulge in any excesses. We don't have the music, the lights, the colors, the incense, the bells, the organ and all this. Not in the temple. Cold, sober. It has to be like that. Orson Pratt says further, "Take the Word of Wisdom which is given for our benefit and our temporal salvation. It is true. Disobedience to it is not so gross as with some others, but still it is given for our temporal salvation and should be observed. We should preach it every two weeks so that this people is persuaded to hearken to it. And yet they know it is the will of the Lord. They go away after hearing the most glorious discourse upon this and other revelations and perhaps they will keep the Word of Wisdom for two or three days, but it makes their head ache, so they take a little tea, and it does them good for the moment, and it is such a trial! It must be a terrible trial, for the Lord said, "The weakest of all."

The Word of Wisdom is necessary for unity and cooperation. It's a form of common sense and honesty. Drugs, luxuries, self-indulgence, fashions and wealth: they all go together. The Word of Wisdom is simply a warning to beware of the world, and although it is a temporal revelation, the keeping of it will help us to keep the more eternal covenants we have made with our Heavenly Father.


So, that's why Mormons limit themselves. I don't think Paul needs to worry about having a beer in heaven. It won't even cross his mind. There will be no need for it.


Norman Sandridge said...

Dear Mac,
Forgive me for not reading your very thorough blog today. You may have already answered these questions and I just missed it, but two come to mind:
1. Are Mormans generally healthier than the rest of us? e.g., are they taller, faster, more long-lived, have fewer health expenses? Most religions have some kind of food strictures, but I have always wondered why they take these strictures from some divine epiphany and not from what science can tell us about the human body.
2. Why do you equate alcohol consumption, even regular consumption, with addiction and impaired judgment? I grant you that this is true for some, but for at least a large portion of humanity it is not. The Persians in fact used to make decisions WHILE DRUNK and then evaluate those decisions when they sobered up. The Greeks drank all the time, though they generally diluted their wine with alochol and did not encourage drunkenness. Anyone who committed a crime while drunk was punished TWICE as much for not being able to restrain himself under the influence of alcohol. That's all I have to say at the momment--I have to run to class.

Mac said...


1) Associated Press release on April 28, 1997, as printed in the Deseret News:

LDS Lifestyle May Be Secret to Long Life
Associated Press
LOS ANGELES: Want to live longer? The secret, some researchers say, may be to live like a Mormon.

Devout members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints don't smoke, take drugs or consume caffeine. They also practice premarital chastity and marital monogamy.

These may be among the reasons that they are some of the healthiest and longest-living people in the country, according to University of California, Los Angeles, study to be published this summer and reported in the Los Angeles Times on Saturday.

Conducted by UCLA epidemiologist James E. Enstrom, the research tracked the mortality rates and health practices of nearly 10,000 California Mormons whose church rank is called high priest. Wives were also tracked in the 14-year study.

The study found that LDS Church members who follow religious mandates barring smoking and drinking have one of the lowest death rates from cancer and cardiovascular diseases - about half that of the general population.

Moreover, the healthiest LDS Church members enjoy a life expectancy eight to 11 years longer than that of the general white population in the United States. . . .

Although other religious groups with similar practices also rank as some of the healthiest Americans, "Mormons form a really good model because there's a large number who are really adhering to this doctrine," Enstrom said.

According to the study, LDS high priests have only 16 percent of the expected deaths from smoking-related cancers and 6 percent of the expected deaths from emphysema, asthma, ulcers, cirrhosis of the liver, homicide and suicide.

Also, high priests who exercise regularly and get proper sleep have an overall death rate that is only 38 percent of all white males in the United States.

The death rate refers to the number of people expected to die in the general population during a given year. The study's author said the rates for LDS deaths are significantly lower than those for the general population.

The study also noted that LDS Church members with a strong family life enjoy good health.

"Mormons have a sense of a larger community, of belonging to a larger church unit that is like an expanded family," said Michael J. Fairclough, a high priest. "Now there's more scientific evidence that people who live in stable families tend to be happier and have less stress. I think all those things contribute to emotional and mental health, which in turn probably helps physically."
Paul can testify that he was astounded at the quantity of beautiful women at BYU (though this might be due more to the huge Scandinavian ancestry of the Mormon faith than to diet strictures). I would say that yes we live longer healthier lives than the majority of the population. I know that Utah has a really high percentage of people taking anti-depressants. I think this may have less to do with increased unhappiness in the group and more to do with a highly educated populace knowing their options in relation to their mental health. With that said, I think anti-depressants should be unnecessary in most cases if people would get off their asses, become less selfish and lose their own sadness in the charitable help of others. I do not imply that they are unnecessay for everyone, but I think they are way overprescribed. We should all be anxiously engaged in a good cause. Helping others breeds goodwill toward men and fights depression.

2) I associate moderate alcohol consumption with addiction and impaired judgement, not because they are unavoidable outcomes of alcohol consumption but because of the risk that it could lead to excess. Why walk near the edge of the cliff when the view is just as great from a few feet away? I do not assume that anyone who drinks is evil or is going to become an alcoholic. I just think that one night's excess could lead to a bad decision with lasting consequences and for that reason, ANYTHING which takes away, however miniscule, my ability to reason clearly, should be avoided.

Jimmy Buffet's "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw" being a good example of what I'm talking about.

Here's one guys pretty good opinion about the Word of Wisdom:

paul said...

Well, Mac, I'm just glad I got you off the topic of sex for another post.

I really have to brush back a tear right now. It reminds me of times long ago. The three of us having a stirring exchange about what we each believe.

DISCLAIMER: I do not truly believe there will be beer in heaven. There will be no need for it.

It is certainly admirable to see that people have that sort of strength and devotion. The Words of Wisdom certainly offers a message of fitness and longevity. The body is a temple. However, I can show you countless articles of how a glass of wine, a bottle of beer, and hot tea are also cornerstones of a healthy lifestyle. By the way, I have an affinity for pork and beef, so I'd make about as good a Jew or Hindu as I would a Mormon. :(

And, yes, there was some seriously fine talent at BYU. I felt like the country cousin in one of those Hanna-Barbera cartoons. That's all I have to say about that.

Mac said...

Paul, Mickelle's home, hence no more sex talk. Entre el dicho y el hecho hay mucho en trecho.

pablo said...

Here's a tongue twister that is likely to be every Mormons' delight:

El vino vino, pero el vino no vino vino. El vino vino vinagre.


Norman Sandridge said...

Hey Mac,
Thanks for the fascinating info. about Mormans and good health! I had no idea. I need to ask my colleague, a Kosher Jew, about the health of Jews who keep Kosher. How one could ever give up pigs and all their bounty, I'll never know.
As far as alcohol consumption goes, I see that we may not have a lot to discuss. I have a drink, either a gin and tonic, a glass of wine, or a beer maybe once or twice a week, sometimes three times, and have found that because it carries such a distinctive and delicious flavor and a delightful effect on the body, I don't find myself craving, for example, extra glasses of sweet tea, greasy foods, or a fatty dessert. It also tends to slow the pace at which I chew and consume food, because I just don't find it pleasant to gulp alcohol. Sometimes I even enjoy being loud and drunk and playing Karaoke Revolution on the PS2 (alcohol can liberate the inhibitions in quite amusing ways), but always within the confines of my own home. Being 'wasted', 'blitzed', 'smashed', or 'trashed' are not states I aspire to or have often attained and I don't ever feel like I'm inching precipitously close to a cliff's edge. I certainly don't consider alcohol vital to the "good life" or the "high life" (as Miller would have you believe); I imagine that I could do without it, but it is one component that can make for delightful evening, like just about any of life's other sensual pleasures in the company of good friends and conversation. And like many such pleasures (e.g., loud music, ice cream, sunlight, pool water, television, sitting down) it can be harmful or destructive in excess. In high school, and even most of college, I thought that people who consumed alcohol were pretentious losers who didn't have enough of a personality to know how to have a good time without it (most of them were). I have obviously backed off that stance in the last decade or so.

Mac said...


I agree that alcohol can make for a delightful evening. I've often thought how much fun Mickelle would be if I could get her drunk, lower her inhibitions and finally get her to EDITED FOR PAUL DUNN AND THE SENSITIVE MORMON SET

darlamay said...

I have a couple questions too. First, I have great respect for Mormans because of their dedication, faith and loyalty to their beliefs. Your religion is not for me, but I respect it and enjoyed your post because now I have some more understanding as well.

So let me know if I understand this correctly: Tea and coffee are limited, but not forbidden. For example: as a guest in a traditional Japanese house you are given an honorary tea ceremony. . . it is ok to drink the tea and avoid insulting your hosts because it is in the Spirit of the Gospel, yes?

And, since you've obviously enjoyed the aforementioned beverages and then some in your lifetime, is there a cleaning ritual or something that allows you to enter the Temple after you've had these?

Mac said...


Well to say that they are not "forbidden" feels like I'm parsing words. No one who drinks coffee or tea may enter the temple until they have repented. If I were offered a drink of vodka in russia, tea in a Japanese ceremony, I would politely explain that I am honored, but I cannot partake because of my religious beliefs. When my friend Paul was married I had Coke in my champagne glass and I offered the toast. I guess I would rather offend some one that offend God by going against his counsel. That would be a tricky situation. But with tact it could be made not awkward as long as there is mutual respect for both beliefs/cultures.

Now, let's assume that I did drink tea knowingly. If I wanted to be able to enter the temple worthily I would have to repent. While most sins are between the individual and God, there are some sins that must be confessed to an ecclesiastical leader so that he can guide you through the repentance process. In our church, bishops are the lay (unpaid) leaders of our units. They are given the priesthood authority just as the "judges" were given in Israel to hear confessions and to tell the person what steps to take to receive forgiveness of their sins. Partaking of tea would be a sin that would require confession not just to God, but to his priesthood representative. Other such sins would be: sexual intimacy with anyone other than your spouse, masturbation, partaking of tea, coffee, alcohol, illegal drugs, or using tobacco, or anything that constitutes a felony. Most other sins are between the individual and God and require only confession to him.

Our bishops are not granted authority to forgive someone of their sins, as only God can do that. They tell us what consequences we will suffer for our actions, encourage us to avoid the behavior in the future, give us advice on how to go and sin no more, express our Heavenly Father's love for us and his willingness to forgive us if we truly repent. If had consumed tea, felt contrition in my heart and wanted to repent, I would make an appointment with my bishop and then in private tell him what I had done. He would then, following the dictates of the Holy Ghost to him, ask me questions about why I had done what I did, if I was going to do it again, and then tell me what consequences my actions might bring.

He judges based off of many factors, first and foremost the promptings of the Spirit. Then the individuals understanding of the Gospel, their previous behavior, their standing in the church, the grievousness of the sin, etc. In my case as one of the counselors in the bishopric he would probably ask me why I had done it and ask if was going to do it again. If I responded that it was a one time thing, he would probably tell me not to take the Sacrament for two weeks and meditate on how I felt without the companionship of the Holy Ghost to remind me of how that feels the next time I was tempted to drink tea. He would probably let me keep my temple recommend (a piece of paper that grants me entry into the temple) but tell me not to attend the temple until the two weeks were done. If I then did it again, he would probably ask me for my recommend until I could go for a longer period of time without doing again and I would probably be released from my calling as a counselor in the bishopric, since if I were sinning in such a way, I would not have the companionship of the Holy Ghost to aid me in the fulfillment of my calling. If I did it again, I would probably be told not to take the Sacrament until I could go a long time (say a couple of months) without doing it again. And I would do that until I could get the sin under control.

If I were to have an affair, since I am an Elder in the priesthood, in the bishopric, and a member with a firm understanding and testimony of the Gospel, I would almost assuredly be excommunicated and no longer be a member of the church.

As far as a cleansing ritual, we have two. The first time someone wants to come unto Christ and receive forgiveness, we are baptized for the remission of sins. After this, because it is impractical to get baptized every week, we renew our convenants made at baptism (to remember the Lord, who died for our sins and to keep his commandments) by partaking of the Sacrament which represents the blood and body of Christ. This is the only ordinance that we need to receive forgiveness and purify ourselves. However we must be worthy to partake of the Sacrament, hence the bishop's involvement to tell us how long we need to wait and meditate before we can partake of the Sacrament again.

Hope that explains my beliefs. As I served a mission in Costa Rica for 2 years, I've got a good measure of experience sharing my beliefs. If you (or anyone who reads this) ever have any questions about ANYTHING I believe, I will be happy to tell you. No question is too stupid and no comment or criticism is too severe. I've heard it all, believe me, and I do not shy from answering even the oddest question. And no, I'm not trying to convert you or anyone to my beliefs.....unless you want me to try. ;)